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Just before U.S. President Donald Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan met at the White House on Wednesday, Ahval editor David Lepeska spoke with Columbia University’s David L. Phillips, a former senior adviser at the U.S. State Department, about the Turkish leader’s war crimes, Trump’s lack of character, and how the U.S. should begin to push for Erdogan’s ouster.
Listen to the podcast here.